Curse

GrimmNinja · Apr 02, 2011, 05:33 PM // 17:33

This is for general HM but not really elite areas, although i might be able to do them...
All tweaks would be apprecaited.

1st Thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/7...t10474256.html

Xenomortis · Apr 02, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56

I would like to see a Curses Nec instead of the Ineptitude guy.
Or perhaps even a Blood Curses hybrid with Order of Pain/Order of the Vampire and Mark of Pain.
Also Dwayna's Sorrow over Signet of Rejuvenation on the Monk.

aga · Apr 02, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Why would you go A/P? WotA or moebius are better in every single way. If you want to have a healing singet on your keystone mes, I think Signet or Rejuvination is a better choice. Aksi, having only 1 res isn't ideal, escpecially when it's rebirth.

GrimmNinja · Apr 02, 2011, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I would like to see a Curses Nec instead of the Ineptitude guy.
Or perhaps even a Blood Curses hybrid with Order of Pain/Order of the Vampire and Mark of Pain.
Also Dwayna's Sorrow over Signet of Rejuvenation on the Monk.

With the orders I think they are restricted to physical attacks only. I thought that means spears are ruled out.

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Originally Posted by aga

Why would you go A/P? WotA or moebius are better in every single way. If you want to have a healing singet on your keystone mes, I think Signet or Rejuvination is a better choice. Aksi, having only 1 res isn't ideal, escpecially when it's rebirth.

The A/P is just something different and fun I like to use, don't knock it till you try it. It is surprisingly good.
As for rez, I have we shall return in there aswell for party wide rez but I can prolly easily slot another one in. But I am a little wary of having too many rez skills, especially since WSR is party wide and the para is almost always the last hero to die.

Xenomortis · Apr 02, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by GrimmNinja

With the orders I think they are restricted to physical attacks only. I thought that means spears are ruled out.

What type of damage do you think a spear is?
Perhaps you are confusing "physical" with "melee". The spear deals physical damage and so works fine with the Orders skills (and Barbs and Mark of Pain). Being a ranged attack, it doesn't work with Strength of Honor (which works on any melee attack, regardless of damage type).

GrimmNinja · Apr 02, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

What type of damage do you think a spear is?
Perhaps you are confusing "physical" with "melee". The spear deals physical damage and so works fine with the Orders skills (and Barbs and Mark of Pain). Being a ranged attack, it doesn't work with Strength of Honor (which works on any melee attack, regardless of damage type).

Ah lol, my bad..
So would a cultist's fervor blood/curse necro be good enough for this?

aga · Apr 02, 2011, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Well if you want to be different why not run a/w with a sword, nobody runs that.

GrimmNinja · Apr 02, 2011, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by aga

Well if you want to be different why not run a/w with a sword, nobody runs that.

I have quite a few times..
Works great with a micro MoP and buffs, I saw the EFGJack thread ab out soloing stuff with warriors 100b spike etc.. And made my own verion.
Having an imagination>cookie cutter 123 builds for 3 years of sin...

P.S I have also used axes and hammers.

So This is What I have now..

Daesu · Apr 02, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Do you need the monk? Maybe replace him with an ER ele, with protective spirit and spirit bond. Dwayna Sorrow is a cheap, fast recharge, AoE enchantment so you don't need to bring 2 copies of it.

Xenomortis · Apr 02, 2011, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Just give the MM Prot Spirit and Aegis again. Why did you remove them?

GrimmNinja · Apr 02, 2011, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Just give the MM Prot Spirit and Aegis again. Why did you remove them?

Ahh lol. i put in the wrong template on pwned..

FyrFytr998 · Apr 02, 2011, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Doesn't Blood Bond interfere with minions Death Nova by keeping them alive somewhat?

Xenomortis · Apr 02, 2011, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998

Doesn't Blood Bond interfere with minions Death Nova by keeping them alive somewhat?

Blood Bond doesn't do a fantastic job of keeping them alive. They're still going to die.

IronSheik · Apr 02, 2011, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Can't justify having orders with only two physical classes imo, even with all heroes having spears, i think a better elite can be slotted.

As earlier stated...Daggers, orders may then be decent.

para doesn't seem to do much, throw anthem of disruption on something else just so you can have 9 mini interrupters.

Panic/Fevered/Inept over keystone imo, fevered supplies more daze than your elite.

Xenomortis · Apr 02, 2011, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Can't justify having orders with only two physical classes imo, even with all heroes having spears, i think a better elite can be slotted.

Sure you can, especially when the guy's a hybrid.
In fact, when you're dealing with ranged characters it becomes more important since you don't get SoH.

hollywoodAnimal · Apr 02, 2011, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Lets low ball it and say that each class attacks once every three seconds, orders is up 2/3 of the time, and the extra damage from orders is only +10. I think everyone would agree that this would be a rather forgiving estimate.

Given that each class attacks once every 3 seconds and that orders is up 2/3 of the time, then logically there would be 2 orders-increased attacks every 9 seconds (per character). That means 20 extra damage per nine seconds per character. Lets low ball it once again and say that it's just about +2 DPS per character. In an 8 character party, this would (following this logic) result in +16 DPS. This would adequately counter most regeneration.

So what does this mean? Should an orders build be stapled to every team build? To put it simply, no. However, in cases where there are some basically dedicated attackers and where adrenaline gain would vastly increase party DPS and spike-cycle time, then an orders build should most certainly be used. Dedicated (or even semi-dedicated) attackers stand to gain +5 DPS (~2.5 orders-increased attacks per 5 seconds).

And, of course, in the instance where dedicated orders use has been decided, then the use of party wide spear-chuckers is most welcome.

Finally, I think the orders use within the build is founded.

pingu666 · Apr 02, 2011, 11:21 PM // 23:21

if your going to run orders, then barrage/volley would be better than spear, as you get a bunch more hits. but you lose deep wound :/

Cors Seel · Apr 03, 2011, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I'm grinding titles on my sin and my team build looks mostly the same.
The SoS has Ancestor's Rage instead of Painful Bond. In contradiction to painful bond heroes use AR Quite well. They only cast when it affects 2 or more foes and who doesn't like 200 dmg for 5e

I still prefer SoGM over ST, 40/40 set helps. Mine has a rezz instead of Armor Unfeeling.
I run an Esurge mesmer instead of your keystone. My Ineptitude mesmer has a slightly different build. Both mesmers have fall back to speed up the run. MM bar is exactly the same.

Instead of a Para and a Healing Burst Monk i have a RoJ and a N/rt Resto. I'm not a fan of dedicated healers since they can't do anything if your team isn't taking dmg.
The RoJ has Strength of Honor. This skill is simply amazing, it adds 26 (@16 smite) every time i hit a foe!!! I'm playing wota dagger spammer so i get a lot of hits to abuse SoH even more. RoJ, smite condition and smite hex is some nice AoE dmg. RoJ does cause scatter yeah, but foes normally are dead before they even could scatter^^. @ just 11 Divine Favor Smite Hex and condition (and reversal of dmg) heals for 70 because of smiter's boon.

The N/rt has Pain of Disenchantment for some more AoE dmg and to remove annoying enchantments. He also has enfeebling blood and shadow of fear for some more anti-physical. (Not sure about this since i already got Ineptitude).

I did test quite some hero builds actually and these worked out the best for me.

Dzjudz · Apr 03, 2011, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Cors Seel

I still prefer SoGM over ST, 40/40 set helps. Mine has a rezz instead of Armor Unfeeling.

40/40 sets only work on spells, they are useless on spirit spammers.

Daesu · Apr 03, 2011, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I would still replace the monk with a N/Mo smiter. You can keep Dwayna's Sorrow on the smiter's bar since it doesn't need a high level of healing but you would have a higher damage rather than having a dedicated healer.

With the prots you have, Dwayna's Sorrow, and half a restoration bar on your sos rit, you should have enough healing. Also replace your Anthem of Flame with Anthem of Envy. AoF doesn't affect spirits, only party members.